[QUOTE=fasih ud din;154631]arifkarim said:
MASHALLAH Fasih bhai ap bohat he umda kaam ker rahay hain...ALLAH aap ko isi tarah mazeed ISLAM ki khatir kaam kernay ki tufeeq de..ameen
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MASHALLAH Fasih bhai ap bohat he umda kaam ker rahay hain...ALLAH aap ko isi tarah mazeed ISLAM ki khatir kaam kernay ki tufeeq de..ameen
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[QUOTE=fasih ud din;154631]fasih bhai aap ki yeh thread firqa wariyat ko hawa deti hai. agar qadiani ghalat hain to unka mamla khuda ke saath hai. istarha one way logon ko darana dhamkana jaiz nahin. istarha to sunni shion ko aur shie wahabion ke khilaf tarha tarha keh ilzam post karte phire gain. phir aap kia har etraz ka jawab dain ge? ham sab pakistani aik qaum hain. firqon main aur mazahib main bate jane ki wajah se ham barbad ho gae hain. zara sochie jab india ne pakistan par hamle kie to kia pakistan ki fauj main qadiani aur hindu aur isai aqliat shareek nah thay? jab yeh sab hamare hi mulk ke log han aur isi ka hissa hain to yeh firqa bazi kesi?
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[quote=arifkarim;154978]no my brother....aap ki maloomat totally wrong hain...ok
isse firqa wariut nahin khete aur na hee maine koi firqa wariut ki bat ki...
aap 1 baat bhi sabit kar dein jo maine firqa wariut ki kee ho.. ?
maine to sunni , shia ka naam nahin liaa is thread mein wo bhi aap ne hee liaa...
1 qaum hona aur baat hai...agar christian , hindus etc pakistan mein hain to unhein unn ke haqooq bhi mile hoe hain.....ok
pakistan ke flag mein jo white colour hai wo bhi aqliyaton ki numaendagi karta hai...
leken qadyanion ka masla 1 alag masla hai.......
agar isse itne araam se chorna hota to 1954 ke fasadat na hote..
aur 1974 mein inhein apkke dalael , pakke sabooton ke sath kafiz aur badtareen kafir qarar diaa ja chuka hai .....jabb inhon ne RABWA ke maqam per muslim students per tashadudd kiaa to saari qaum 1 ho gai thi....
aap ko pata kuch nahin hai to inn ki side lene ka bhi haqq nahin...
1974 MEIN SAARI QAUM NE , SABB MASLAK KE ULMAA E KARAAM NE MUSHTARIKA TEAM BANAI THII AUR MILL KAR ISS FITNE KA SAMNA KIAA THAAA..
aap manein ya na manein butt mera kam hai samjhana aur ye kehna ke ALLAH ke sath mamla hai .. kiunn kya hum NABI (SAW) ke umti nahin ? humein unn ki nubuwwat ke ghaddaron ke samne jhukk jana chaheye ?
meri thread total saheeh hai aur maine koi ghalat baat nahin likhi aur main sabb muslims ka ( jo bhi firqa ho ) ihtaram kartaa hoon..
aur main it dunya ke rules ko bhi follow kartaa hoon aur mujhe umeed hai ke koi bhai bhi mere comments aur thread ke against raae nahin de gaa.....INSHALLAH
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u r right 100% Fasih bhai...or baqol arif bhai k k shia suni to bhai wo hain to Muslim na..qadiyani to hain he kafir.jo muslim k roop mein apna ajeeb sa mazhab chala rahay hain
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[QUOTE=fasih ud din;155072]fasih bhai 1974 main jab qadiani aur us waqt ke ulama ke mabain qaumi parliament main jo kai din tak behso mubahisah howa tha uski poori video reccording ki gai thi. woh recording qadianion ke musalsal israr ke bawajood aajtak kisi tv channel par nahin dikhai gai. kia yeh is baat ko zahir nahin karti keh us main sachai thi. wagarnah agsr qadiani jhoote hote to government ko woh tape chupane ki kia zaroorat thi. sab ko dikhate nah take doodh ka doodh aur pani ka pani ho jata...
haqeeqt yeh hai ke qadiani woh mubahisa jeetai teh magar us waqt ke primeminister Z. ali bhutto ne ulama ke dabao main aakar zabardasti qadianion ko ghair muslim aqliat qarar dia. yeh mutifiqqa aur munsifanah taur par nahin howa tha! mehaz apni kursi bachate howe kia tha.
magar uska injam kiaa howa. Bhutto 52 saal ki umar main kutte ki maut mara giya! Uske karoron chahne wale thay magar koi kuch nah karsaka!!! Ilahi taqdeer atal hoti hai......
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[quote=sacha;155421][quote=fasih ud din;155072]
fasih bhai 1974 main jab qadiani aur us waqt ke ulama ke mabain qaumi parliament main jo kai din tak behso mubahisah howa tha uski poori video reccording ki gai thi. woh recording qadianion ke musalsal israr ke bawajood aajtak kisi tv channel par nahin dikhai gai. kia yeh is baat ko zahir nahin karti keh us main sachai thi. wagarnah agsr qadiani jhoote hote to government ko woh tape chupane ki kia zaroorat thi. sab ko dikhate nah take doodh ka doodh aur pani ka pani ho jata...
haqeeqt yeh hai ke qadiani woh mubahisa jeetai teh magar us waqt ke primeminister Z. ali bhutto ne ulama ke dabao main aakar zabardasti qadianion ko ghair muslim aqliat qarar dia. yeh mutifiqqa aur munsifanah taur par nahin howa tha! mehaz apni kursi bachate howe kia tha.
aap vedio ki bat karte hain....abb meri 1 baat suno...jo NABI (SAW) ke bare mein ghalat bat karne jese sulman rushdie yaa tasleeman nasreen etc yani jo gustakh e rasool ho.. uss keliey koi reayat nahin hai deen mein..
inn pages ko parho , ghjor se parho , phir parho , kya yahan mirza ne phool barasae (NAUZOBILLAH)....ALLAH ke gustakh , NABI (SAW) ke gustakh , SAHABA KARAAM ke gustakh ,AHLE BAIT ke gustakh , UMMAHAT UL MOMENEEN ke gustakh....kya kasar chori inhon ne..
uss ki sari books ke naam sath likhe hain....aur abb to aksar purani books mein qadyanion ne changings kar deen hain taake jo hawala jaat dekhe usse ye keh sakein ke dekhen janaab..yahan to esa kuch hai hee nahin....kidher likha howaa hai esaa...yani additions mein changings hain..
aur aaap ko shoq hai na to poora kar lijiye main bhii poora karoon gaa...
main bhi harr thread hawalon ke sath , QURAN O HADEES ke sath post karoon ga...
aap mein itni sakat hai to aa jao phir....
syasat ko beech mein le aae..
qadyani muslims ke sabb se bare dushman hain.....agar boht shoq hai qadyanion ko alaehda mazhabb banane kaa to khudd ko kissi aur naam se kehelwain , muslims ki haron ko khokhla karne ka koi haqq nahin hai inhein..
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bohat khoob fasih bhai...bohat acha reply hai ap ka.. pehlay arif sahib nahi maan thay ab yeh sacha sahib apny name k against jhoot bol rahay hain..samjh nahi aati k kiun logh sab kuch jaantay or aqal rakhtay howay b ghalat rasta choose kertay hain..sach bhai is baat mein koi shaq or shoba nahi k qadyani kafi hain or muslim k roop mein apna mazhab chala rahay hain ..balkay yeh kafroon se b zayda khatarnak hain kiun k yeh muslim k roop mein ISLAM ko nuqsaan pohncha rahay hain..or Quran sab se bara saboot hai humaray pass..qadyanio k pass kiya hai ..mein sirf itna kehna chahon ga k koi b Muslim qadyani ko kabhi sacha nahi keh sakta ..jis ka imaan mazbooth hai wo laant he bhejay gha ..ALLAH sab ko seedhay rastay pe chalnay ki tufeeq de..or jo bhatak chukay hain un ko b apnay seedhay rastay per chalnay ki tufeeq de..ameeen
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jee shukriaa ALLAH TAHALA sabb terhe logon ko apni qudrat se seedha karein....yehi dua hai meri..
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[QUOTE=fasih ud din;155521][quote=sacha;155421]agar qadianion ne mirza ghlam ahmed sahib ki kitabon main changes ki hain to woh yahan par post karke dikhian. mujhe aap ki baat par yaqeen nahin
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[quote=sacha;155713][quote=fasih ud din;155521]pehle ye pata kar ke lao apne buzurgon aur waderon se ke kiss bina per ye gustakhiaan keeen mirza ne..............
phir aa kar bat karo...ye pages parho aur batao ke ye kya hain phir...
well ye bhi sath bata do ge rabwa group ke ho ya lahori group ke ho...
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Post nr. 1 ka jawab:
ahmadiyyat koi neya alag mazhab nahin balkeh islam ke andar hi aik jamaat hai.
ham to isai aur yahood taqton ke utna hi khilaf hain jitna aap log. najane kioon aap log hamain angrezon ka agent kehtai hain. hamain unse aik penny bhi nahin milta. jamaat ka sara nizam chande par chalta hai jo keh har ahmedi khud deta hai!!!
watne aziz ke khilaf sazish???? ahmedi kernal, leftenats, major fauj main sab se aage hote hain!!! 1948 ki jang main kashmir ka mahaz kisne fatah kia tha? doctor abdus salam pehle pakistani musalman nobel prize inaam yaftah scientist, ahmedi thay. Ch. zaffrullah khan sahib aalmi adalat insaf in Hag amsterdam ke judge + pakistan ke sab se pehle wazire kharjah bhi thay. aap bhii qadyani thay!!! !!! koi aur pakistani musalman aaj tak in maqamat tak pohanch saka??? hamare ehad main hubbul watni bhi shamil hai. kia ham ab bhi mulk sazish hain??? kamal hai......
1974 main ahmadion ko zabardasti gher muslim aqliat qarar dia giya ta shah fesal ko khalifa banaya jae. magar aik khalifa ke hote hoe do khalife kesai ho sakte hain??? islie ilahi taqdeer se yeh mumkin nah hoska! aur aajtak musalman baghair khalifa keh mar kha rahe hain.
shariet muhammad (s.a.w) par khatam hoti hai magar aap ke baad aur nabi aap hi ki ummat main se aasakte hain. hazarat ayesha r.a farmati hain " yeh to kaho ke muhammad (s.a.w) khatamunnabiyyin hain par yeh nah kaho keh unke baaad koi aur nabi nahin ae ga..."
aap beshak ahmadiyyat ko khatam karne ke lie eri choti ka zor laga lain magar yeh khilafat khuda ka lagaya howa poda hai jo qiyamat tak darakht ban kar hamare paas rahe ga.
Last edited by sacha; 12th August 2007 at 06:14 AM.
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Post nr. 2 ka jawab:
1) 2) mirza ghulam ahmed sahib a.s nain alame kashaf main dekha tha keh main khuda hoon. kioonkeh ham dunya daron main se filhal koi bhi shakhs itna naik nahin keh kashf ke muqam tak pohanch sake islie ham nahin jan sakte keh alame kashaf kia hai. yeh yaqeenan khawab hi ki aik qisam hai magar jagte howe bhi daikha jata hai. agar koi khawab main dekhai keh woh khuda hai yah ban giya hai to us main uska kia qasoor??? khawab main to kuch bhi mumkin hai. aap to khawab main ur bhi sakte hain.... . kioonkeh khawab aap apni marzi se nahin daikhte. islie yeh gustakhi nahin. jo mirza ghulam ahmed sahib a.s ne daikha woh age beyan kardiya. simple.
3) yahan kahan likha hai: ???
tehreer hi ghalat hai
4)
5) yahan tanzan maulwion ko kaha hai jo yeh aqidah rakhte hain keh khuda muhammad (s.a.w) ke baad ab kisi se kalam nahin karsakta. yaani keh naoozobillah khuda ko koi bimari lahaq hai jo dua sun to sakta hai aur qabool bhi karskata hai par bol kar uska jawab nahin de sakta. yeh tanzan likha hai logon ki bewaqoofi par nah ke gustakhana!!!
6) ere bahi yeh bhi to tashbhihan likha hai lakeer ke fakeero!!!!! urdu main ham kehte hain nah ke khuda ki lathi be awaaz hai. to kia yeh gustakhi hai??? awal to khuda ki lathi ho hi nahin sakti. aur doosra be awaz??? ise to ham gustakhana nahin kehte to phir mirza ghulam ahmed sahib a.s ki is tehreer ko gustakhana kioon kaha geya????
7) yeh kitab mere paas nahin jab aye gi to iska bhi jawab doonga. inshallah
8) rasool ka lafzi matlab paigham lane wala keh hain. to aap nain khuda se khabar pakar yeh elan kia keh aap hi mehdi maood o masih maood hain jiska wada kia geya tha. ismain kia gustakhi hai? aap khuda ka paigham hi to lae hai!!!!
doosra yeh keh "sacha khuda wohi hai jisnain qadian main apna rasool bhaija" ka matlab sirf yeh hai keh wohi khuda sacha hai jo musalmanon ka khuda Allah hai baqi hindu aur budha aur isaion ke khuda sab jhoote khuda hain.
maslah in maulwion ki soch main hai jo keh intehai negative hai. koi shak?
8) zara poori tehreer parhain:
pehle likha hai ke "ham farz karsakte hain" yaani ke yeh khuda ki al-qayoomiat ki sif aik tamseelan misal hai jo baqol khatme nabuwwat walon ke gustakhi e khuda hai
9) yeh kitab mere paas nahin jab aye gi to iska bhi jawab doonga. inshallah
10) isko samajhne ke lie aap ko baraheene ahmadiyya ka mutalia karna hoga. yeh jo mirza ghulam ahmed sahib a.s nain tehreer kia is se murab mehez rohani pedaish hai nah keh madi. aap a.s ke andar masih ibn maryam ki ruh phoonki gai thi kioonkeh hadeese mubarkah kai "nshin koi mehdi isa ke siwa".
aap dunyador log in ilahi hikmaton ko nahin jaan sakte jab tak apni islah na karo.
Last edited by sacha; 12th August 2007 at 09:28 PM.
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