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    Default Maine Mirzaiyat Ko Kiun Tark Kia ?? (Dr.ismail A.b Belogan Nigeria)

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    salam dosto...bare afsos se kehna parr raha hai ke hamari pyari itdunya mein bhi chand qadyani ghusse hoe hain taake taake yahan ka mahol bhi kharab kiaa ja sake butt unhein shaeud ye nahin pata ke muslim aksariut unn ke bare mein bakhobi janti hai butt wo kehte hain naa ke kutte ke dumm seedhi nahin ho sakti so 1 sacha sahibb aae hoe hain...unhein mere sath challenge ka bara shoq hai aur unhon ne meri thread SHEZAN KA BAIKAT mein reply apne kuch hawale jhoote batae1 hadees byan ki jo ke ye harr bhole aur masoom musalman ko batate hainn kiuun ke aur kuch aataa nahin batane keliye...so maine ussi hadees ka batane keliye ye thread post kii taake sabb ka eeman mazeed pukhta ho aur haqaiq ka pata chale...
    agar kissi ne meri thread shezan ka baikat aur uss ke sath 30 attach pages nahin parhe to baat cheet section mein jaa kar parh lein ke mirza ne kya gull khilae hain aur maine kese uss ki books ke hawalon sath post kiye...
    aur MR.sachaa.......abb aao line pe aur parho ye aur ALLAMA IQBAL WALA THREAD "ZARB E IQBAL AUR QADYANI DAJJAL" BHI PARHO...
    aur batao ke kya ALLAMA IQBAL BHI JHOOTE THE KYAA???
    SABB BHAIYON SE KEHNA HAI KE MERA SATH DEIN AUR QURAN O HADEES KI ROSHANI MEIN BATAEIN KE MAIN SAHEEH KEH RAHA HOON YAA GHALAT...?
    MR.SACHA KA KEHNA HAI KE NABI (SAW) KI HEE SHARIUT PER NAE NABI (NAUZOBILLAH) AA SAKTE HAIN..
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    iska jawab:

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    iska matlab yeh hai keh shari naboot ka silsalah khatam howa. yaani deene islam jo keh khuda ka deen hai mukammal ho giya aur aur ab kisi nai shariat ki zaroorat nahin. magar iska yeh matlab kese lia jasakta hai keh naozobillah ab Allah tala apne bandon se kalam hi nahin karega??? aur apne nabi nahin bhejai ga? kia khuda taala is kaam par qadir nahin? muhammad (s.a.w) yaqeenan sab se akhari shari nabi o rasool hain magar aap s.a.w ke baad aap ki atba se aik nahin balkeh kai nabi aasakte hain. magar koi nai shariat lekar koi nahin aasakta kioon keh shariat islam par khatam ho gai, quran ke mutabiq.


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    is ayat ka khud sakhta mazmoon nahin nikala geya. yehi iska sahi tarjamah banta hai. agar aap quran ko baghor parhain to aap ko patah lage ga keh yeh ayat pehle bhi aik baar achuki hai magar tab wahan par sirf tin inamon ka zikr hai 4 kanhin. yani anbia ka zikar nahin hai. magar is ayat main hai. to iska matlab howa keh pichle anbia ki atba se ham saddiqin, shuhada aursalihin ke muqam tak pohanch sakte hain magar muhammad (s.a.w) ki atba se ham nabion ke darjah ko bhi pasakte hain...

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    ahmedi doosre musalmanon ko muslaman hi samjhte hain kafir nahin. magar inke peechai namaz islie nahin parte ke inhon nain zamane ke imam ka inkar kia hai aur shadi islie nahin karte istarah inki nasal kaharab hogi. baap bachon ko maulwion ke peechai chalai ga aur man ahmdiyyat par. to phir bache kia karain ge?

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    ahmadiyyat ka moqaf wazih hai: ahmadiyyat islam hi ke andar aik jamat hai nah ke koi neya mazhab ya firqa. ahmadi kalima la ilaha illallah par dili yaqeen rakhte hain aur parte hain islie ham hadees ki ro se musalman hain. har shakhs ahmedi ho kar kisi nae deen main dakhil nahin hota balkeh dairah islam main hi ke andar rehte hoe masih maood aur mehdi maod mirza ghulam ahmed a.l ke haath par bait karta hai aur unko zamane ka iman manta hai.

    mirza ghulam ahmed a.l ne khuda se khabar pakar elan karwaya keh wih hi 14 sadi ke mujaddad hain aur masih maood aur mehdi maod hain. aur iske lie khuda se ik nishan talab kia jo keh kusofo khasoof ke naam se mashoor hai. is nishan main sooraj aur chand ko ramzan hi keh mahine main do bar grehan laga. 1894 aur 1895 main. aur yeh poori dunya main dekha geya. iska elaan aap a.l ne bohat pehle aik ishtehar main kia tha.

    jahan tak aik jamaat ka taluq hai to woh hadees mubarkah ke muwafiq hai: " akhari zamanah main mominin ki aik jamaat hogi...."

    mehdi o masih ki aik nishani hadees se yeh bhi sabit hai keh un se pehle aik mujaddad qatal hoga. 13 sadi ke mujaddad brelvi shahid thay. jinke baad aap a.l ae.
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    ahmadi musalmanon ko ahmedi bana kar unhain sirf aik jamaat main munazam karte hain ta aapas main mohabbat piyar aur bhai chare ki fiza kaim ho. har sal jab london main jalsah salana munaqid hota hai to puri dunya se hazaron log har rango nasal ke ismain shareek hote hain. kia aap logon nain islam main istarah ka majma daikha hai jismain har rango nasal ke afrad bila tafreeq aik hi platform par jamah hon?????

    mirza ghulam ahmed sahib a.l ki bait karke har shakhs ahmadiyyat main dakhil hota hai aur ahmadiyya jamaat ka aik rukan hai. uski jamaat par aur jamaat par uski zimedarian hain jiska usko aur jamaat ko paas karna hota hai.

    ahmedion ko alag namaz parne ka islie bhi kaha geya hai keh jab ahmedi doosre musalmanon ke saath namaz parne ki koshish karte thay to unko ganda uar palid keh kar thukraya jaata tha aur fasad hota tha. is fasad se bachne kelie aur aman ko qaim rakhne ke lie yeh hukam hai keh har ahmadi khud hi namaz ada karlai. ta har fitne se bacha jasake. ghair ahmadi agar koi fitnah nah peda kare to ahmadion ko kea pari hai keh woh unke saath namaz nah parhain????

    ahmadiyyat hi aik haqeeqi islam hai beshak is se aap log mutafiq hon yah nah hon. islam hi nijjat ka haqeeqi rastah hai. ahmadiyyat to mehaz us rasteh tak pohanchne aur us par chalne ka naam hai.

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    koi nya nabi hazoor (SAW) ki shariut pe nahin aa sakta....
    NUBUWWAT IS SEALED...so 1 zaheef hadees jo hazrat aisha (RA) se byan ki......uss ka jawab to diaa nahin aur mere 30 attach kiye hoe pages mein jo senkron baqwas mirze ne kiye...unn mein se bhi sirff 1 ka jawab diaa jo ke hamesha ki trah jhoota aur ghalat thaaa...
    aur baaqi gustakhion ki baat ko goal kar gae...aur jo saheeh ahadees hain KHATM E NUBUWWAT ke bare mein....unn ka to zikar hee nahin kiaaa jo ke iss thread mein bhi hain.....
    KYA DR.ISMAIL ko khawab aayaa thaa ke mirzai lanati aur kazzab hain ? tumne kaha ke hum log tumhein manein ya na manein leken tum saheeh islam per chal rahe ho...beshakk kaho...tumhare kehne se kon saa hum man lein ge....kiun ke mirza bhi unn 30 mein se 1 hai jo ke jhoota hai.....
    aur tumne 1 jamaat wali baat kii wo bhi sarasar ghalat hai...aur jahan takk baat hai jalsa salana ki to ALHUMDOLILLA ( BAITULLAH SHARIF ) mein harr saal aisa ijtemah hota hai...
    har gora o kala .. har arbi o ajmi ..har ameer o ghareeb akathe hote hain......
    mirza tahir to bhaag gayaa thaa na pakistan se......
    aur dr.abdul salam wali aur zafrullah khan mirzai ki baat bhi log jaante hain....ke zafrullah ne quaid ki namaz e jinaza mein kya kiaa thaa....aur dr.abul salam kee bat ka jawab dr.a.q khan ke hawale se saabit ho jae gee...jo ke main karoon gaaaaaaaaaaaa..
    mirza 1 shareef insaan bhi nahin thaaa...( NAUZOBILLAH ) mehdi o maseeh kahan se bann gayaa...
    main to tumhari hee kitabon se hawale detaa hoon...aur tum batein goal kar jate ho.....
    chalo aaj 1 aur letterthread ki soorat mein post kar deta hoon
    ALHUMDOLLIA MUSLIMS jaante hain tumhari jhooti harkaton ke bare mein.....jahan koi bhola bechara nazar aayaa ... waheen uss ko apne jaal mein phansaaya....yehi karnama aataa hai bass....

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    nice work fasieh, carry-on

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    nice work fasieh, carry-on
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    Fasih ud Din Bhi.....

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    Quote fasih ud din said: View Post
    koi nya nabi hazoor (SAW) ki shariut pe nahin aa sakta....
    NUBUWWAT IS SEALED...so 1 zaheef hadees jo hazrat aisha (RA) se byan ki......uss ka jawab to diaa nahin aur mere 30 attach kiye hoe pages mein jo senkron baqwas mirze ne kiye...unn mein se bhi sirff 1 ka jawab diaa jo ke hamesha ki trah jhoota aur ghalat thaaa...
    aur baaqi gustakhion ki baat ko goal kar gae...aur jo saheeh ahadees hain KHATM E NUBUWWAT ke bare mein....unn ka to zikar hee nahin kiaaa jo ke iss thread mein bhi hain.....
    KYA DR.ISMAIL ko khawab aayaa thaa ke mirzai lanati aur kazzab hain ? tumne kaha ke hum log tumhein manein ya na manein leken tum saheeh islam per chal rahe ho...beshakk kaho...tumhare kehne se kon saa hum man lein ge....kiun ke mirza bhi unn 30 mein se 1 hai jo ke jhoota hai.....
    aur tumne 1 jamaat wali baat kii wo bhi sarasar ghalat hai...aur jahan takk baat hai jalsa salana ki to ALHUMDOLILLA ( BAITULLAH SHARIF ) mein harr saal aisa ijtemah hota hai...
    har gora o kala .. har arbi o ajmi ..har ameer o ghareeb akathe hote hain......
    mirza tahir to bhaag gayaa thaa na pakistan se......
    aur dr.abdul salam wali aur zafrullah khan mirzai ki baat bhi log jaante hain....ke zafrullah ne quaid ki namaz e jinaza mein kya kiaa thaa....aur dr.abul salam kee bat ka jawab dr.a.q khan ke hawale se saabit ho jae gee...jo ke main karoon gaaaaaaaaaaaa..
    mirza 1 shareef insaan bhi nahin thaaa...( NAUZOBILLAH ) mehdi o maseeh kahan se bann gayaa...
    main to tumhari hee kitabon se hawale detaa hoon...aur tum batein goal kar jate ho.....
    chalo aaj 1 aur letterthread ki soorat mein post kar deta hoon
    ALHUMDOLLIA MUSLIMS jaante hain tumhari jhooti harkaton ke bare mein.....jahan koi bhola bechara nazar aayaa ... waheen uss ko apne jaal mein phansaaya....yehi karnama aataa hai bass....
    aap nain kaha "koi nya nabi hazoor (SAW) ki shariut pe nahin aa sakta....
    NUBUWWAT IS SEALED... " yeh ghalat hai aur iska saboot quran ki ro se apni last post main dia hai. use par lain.

    aap nain kaha "aur jo saheeh ahadees hain KHATM E NUBUWWAT ke bare mein....unn ka to zikar hee nahin kiaaa jo ke iss thread mein bhi hain....."
    iska jawab bhi oopar wali post main hai. use dobarah parho aur phir swal poocho. baghair parhe kia sawal kar rahe ho??

    aap nain kaha "tumne kaha ke hum log tumhein manein ya na manein leken tum saheeh islam per chal rahe ho...beshakk kaho...tumhare kehne se kon saa hum man lein ge....kiun ke mirza bhi unn 30 mein se 1 hai jo ke jhoota hai....."

    to manain kab kaha keh aap ise zaroor mano. main to sirf ahamdiyyat ka moaqif aap ke samne beyan kar rah hoon. quran main hai" deen main koi jabar nahin". aap ki marzi hai ise qabool karo yah nah karo, meri bala se. mujhe aap logon main ahmadiyyat ke aqaid thonsne ka shoq nahin. aur nah hi ham kisi ko dara dhamka kar zabardasti ahmadi banate hain. har shakhs ki apni marzi hai kioonkeeh har ik ka mamla khuda ke saath hai..... mere ya aapke saath nahin

    aur yeh jo 30 jhoote wali hadees hai. yeh poori hadees lekar ao aur dikhao ke kia ismain kia kahin kisi jhoote nabi ka zikr hai???

    aap nain kaha"aur tumne 1 jamaat wali baat kii wo bhi sarasar ghalat hai...aur jahan takk baat hai jalsa salana ki to ALHUMDOLILLA ( BAITULLAH SHARIF ) mein harr saal aisa ijtemah hota hai..."

    jamat wali baat ghlat nahin durust hai. keh "akhari zamanah main musalmanon ke 72 firqe mil kar aik jamaat ko alag kardain ge...." aur yeh peshgoi hobaho pori hoi. 1974 main musalamanon ke tamam 72 firqon nain jinhon nain aajtak kabhi kisi bhi baat par ittefaq nah kia tha, un sab nain mil kar qadianion ki jamaat ko aik taraf kardia. aur baqi tamam 72 ko dairah islam main dakhil kardiya. is se pehle har firqa har doosre firqe ko dairah islam se kharij tasawwur karta tha magar sirf ahmadion ki jamaat ko jhoota aur dairah islam se kharij karne ke lie sab isbaat par mutafiq ho gae keh 72 firqe dairah islam ke andar aur ahmadiyya jamaat dairah islam se kharij kardiya jae! yani khud hi peshgoi pori kardi.....

    baitullah sharif main kab har rango nasal ka aadmi bila tafreeq dakhil ho sakta hai? wahan to sirf wohi jasakta hai jise saudiarab ki hakoomat dairah islam ki list main shamil karti hai yani 72 firqon ko. hadees main he qiyamet ke mutalliq " keh jab hajj band kia jae ga" jike muwafiq ahmadion ko jo apne aap ko musalman kehte hain hajj karne ki ijazat nahin yahan tak ke saudiarab main dakhil tak hone ki ijazat nahin. magar yahood o nasara jin par muhammad s.a.w ne marne se pehle khas taur par lanat ki thi unko khullam khulli ijazat hai keh woh jitna marzi chahain saudiarab main phirain. inhon nain hamari nasal ko tabaho barbad kardia hai magar iski unko koi fikr nahin. asal dushman ghar main agiya hai magar nazar nahin aarha. agar koi nazar araha hai to woh ahmadi hai jo aman se baitullah ka tawaf karna chahta hai........

    iske baraks jalsah salanah main har rango nasl o mazhab ka shakhs bila tafreeq madooo hai. ghair ahmadi musalman bhi asakte hain, isai bhi, yahood bhi , hindu bhi, gore kale surkh, gharz jo chahe aye aur is rohani maaede se mustafiz ho. ham kisi par koi pabandi nahin lagate. jabke baitullah shairf jo keh roe zamin par allah ka ghar hai aur usi ki malkiat hai aur jiske tawaf se allah ke farman ke mutabiq kisi ko roka nahin jasakta, uske twaf ko aaj qadionion se roka jaraha hai. sirf islie woh apne aap ko musalman kehte hain. kia yeh insaf hai?

    aap nain kaha"aur dr.abdul salam wali aur zafrullah khan mirzai ki baat bhi log jaante hain....ke zafrullah ne quaid ki namaz e jinaza mein kya kiaa thaa....aur dr.abul salam kee bat ka jawab dr.a.q khan ke hawale se saabit ho jae gee...jo ke main karoon gaaaaaaaaaaaa..
    mirza 1 shareef insaan bhi nahin thaaa...( NAUZOBILLAH ) mehdi o maseeh kahan se bann gayaa..."
    iska hawala dain. khali keh dene se kia hoga?

    aap nain kaha"ALHUMDOLLIA MUSLIMS jaante hain tumhari jhooti harkaton ke bare mein.....jahan koi bhola bechara nazar aayaa ... waheen uss ko apne jaal mein phansaaya....yehi karnama aataa hai bass...."
    main to kisi ko apne jal main nahin phans raha. yeh to aap ka khiyal hai. main to sirf jamate ahamdiyya ke haqiqi aqaid aap logon par wazih kar raha hoon. ta aap ki ghalt fehmian door hon. jahan tak hamain manane ka sawal hai to us bare main main oopar likh chuka hoon ke deen main koi jabar nahin. ham zabardasti kisi ko ahmadi nahin banate. har insan azaad hai aur apni marzi se jisko chahe qabool kare. yahan tak keh agar koi shakhs pedaishi ahmadi ho kar bare ho kar ahamdiat ko chor bhi de to use ham aap logon ki tarha fatwah laga kar qatal nahin karte balkeh uska mamala allah ke supard karte hain. yehi ho insan ke banane ka maqsad he ke uske paas choice hoti warnah agar tamam insanon ko aik hi dagar par chalana hota to uske lie khuda ko insan paida karne ke kia zaroorat thi? kia iske kelie farishte kafi nah thay jo Allah ke har hukam ki takmeel karte hain?

    Yeh aap logon ka kaam hai keh agar koi shakhs apni marzi se jamate ahmadiyyat ka rukan banta hai to use qatal karna aap baise fakhar aur jannat ki ticket hasil karne ke mutaradif samajhte ho. keh marzai ko maro aur jannat main jao . kia bhala istaraha doosron ko marne peetnain se jannat milti hai?????? khuda ki jannat to khuda ki rah main jaan dekar hasil ki jati hai nah ke kisi ki jaan lekar...

    wallahoalamo
    Last edited by sacha; 14th August 2007 at 06:54 PM.

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