debate section rules

[Malang009]

sari baat ko chor kar sirf do batain
1. mujey un ulama ka fatwa dikhayen jinho nay shia ko kafir na likha ho

leikin keyi shia mukhlif fatwa nehi mantey

uper baat may ap nay jin ka tazkira kia un ki list faraham karain
2. tv par shia k sath beth janey sey ye zarori nahi k wo shia ko musalmaan samajhtey ho
3.agar kisi ko kafir declare na kia jaye to kia wo musalmaan ho jata hay ?
4.TV par hakomat ka shia k programs chalana shia ko musalmaan sabit nahi karta
5.chun k ap k nazdeek sirf mufti hi fatwa dey sakta hay or alim ka dia gaya fatawa mana nahi jaye ga isi liye ap ye bhi sabit karain gey k tv par bethney waley sarey mufti hain
6. may ye nahi keh raha k shia ko behes karney ki ijazat na di jaye may ye keh raha hon k un ka section islam section sey bahir kia jaye kiun k wo musalmaan nahi
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isi liye may ye jan na chahta hon k ap k nazdeek kisi k musalmaan ya kafir honey ka mayar kia hay or ap nay meri is baat ka abi tak jawab nahi dia

[Niqash]

may ye nahi keh raha k shia ko behes karney ki ijazat na di jaye may ye keh raha hon k un ka section islam section sey bahir kia jaye kiun k wo musalmaan nahi

Brother aap shia ke Peechy kyun par gay hain???
aap kis Maslik see ho ye tu bata dein Deobandi hain Ahle Sunnat hain Ahle Hadees hain ye tu bata dein???

Waisey Naraz Mat hona aap ke kai barey barey ULMA E DEEN sunni see Shia howe hain kyun ???

Kia Dekha tha unhoon nee

Kuch ke name Pesh kar raha hon

1. Maulana Ismail Deoband
2. Maulana Ghulam Husayn Naeemi
3. Allamah Talib Husayn Kirpalvee
4. Allamah Abdul Kareem Mushtaq
5. Allamah Shah Zaeem Fatami
6. Abdul Qayum Alavi
7. Maulana Tawakkul Husayn
8. Maulana Hafiz Younis Gujjar
9. Maulana Tajideen Haydheri
10. Hafiz Muhammad author of the famous Fulq un Najaath
11. Allamah Haroon Gilani
12. Maulana Abdul Saqi


Aur Buhat see hain

Kyun aakhir kia dekha tha enhoon nee shia Maslik main ???

[Malang009]

1.agar madni munna bhai ki posts is thread may sey delete ki gaye hain to niqash sahab ki bhi ki jayen
2.agar niqash sahab ko esi home made lists deni hain to debate section may puri sanadon wagera k sath paish karain

[Sohail]

sari baat ko chor kar sirf do batain
1. mujey un ulama ka fatwa dikhayen jinho nay shia ko kafir na likha ho

uper baat may ap nay jin ka tazkira kia un ki list faraham karain
2. tv par shia k sath beth janey sey ye zarori nahi k wo shia ko musalmaan samajhtey ho
3.agar kisi ko kafir declare na kia jaye to kia wo musalmaan ho jata hay ?
4.TV par hakomat ka shia k programs chalana shia ko musalmaan sabit nahi karta
5.chun k ap k nazdeek sirf mufti hi fatwa dey sakta hay or alim ka dia gaya fatawa mana nahi jaye ga isi liye ap ye bhi sabit karain gey k tv par bethney waley sarey mufti hain
6. may ye nahi keh raha k shia ko behes karney ki ijazat na di jaye may ye keh raha hon k un ka section islam section sey bahir kia jaye kiun k wo musalmaan nahi
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isi liye may ye jan na chahta hon k ap k nazdeek kisi k musalmaan ya kafir honey ka mayar kia hay or ap nay meri is baat ka abi tak jawab nahi dia

- sari batain aap iss liye chourh rehey hein ke uka jawab aap ke paas nehi aur na aap unn ka jawab de saktey hein.
- ager kissi ko kafir na kehna ho to kiya uss ke liye fatwa chaye hota hai yehkis ne kaha (yeh to aise hi hai ke fatwa dekhao ke deobandi kafir nehi ya fatwa dekhao ke ahl-e-hadees kafir nehi). Aap ko samajh hi nehi aa rehi ke aap kiya bat ker rehey hein
- Tv per bethney shia ke sath bethney se wo shia ko zaroori nehi muslim samjhey SUBHAN ALLAH (wahan muslim ulma keh ker taharif hota hai ke hamarey sath mojood hein aalm-e-deen to kion nehi boltey wahan ke yeh aap ghalat taharif kara rehey hein shia kafir hai?)
- aap ne kaha ke TV per hakumat ka program show kerna shia ko muslim sabit nehi kerta (do bar nehi das daffa dobara wo reply parhnein, uss mein mein ne TV program ka ziker iss liye nehi kiya ke shia muslim hai balkey iss liye kaha hai ke qadiyani program kion nehi chaltey? wo chala ker dekho TV per awam kia kerti hai? to ager donou kafir hein to shia ki daffa naram kion ho jati hai awam sirf iss liye ke kuch mufti sahiban shia ko kafir nehi samjhatey)

- mein aap ko phir bata doun (darjnou daffa bata raha houn) ke mein ne yeh nehi kaha ke shia muslim hai ya kfir hai mein yeh keh raha houn ke shia declare kafir nehi hai (jaise ke qadiyani).

- Aur aap ke paas ya ilm ki kami hai ya aap ko kissi ne bataya nehi ke ISLAM MEIN SIRF AUR SIRF MUFTI FATWA DE SAKTA HAI. aap meri na maneye apney kissi aalim se yeh bat pouch lein aur mein ne ouper aap ko 5 pillars bi bataye hein fatwa deney ke liye zaroori ijza.

Mein aik daffa phir bata raha houn ke mein yahan her giz yeh nehi keh raha ke shia kafir hai ya muslim leikin shia ko kuch ulma na kafir kaha hai kuch ne nehi lehaza kissi islamic mulk, mufti-e-azam, constitution ne ussey ghyr muslim qarar nehi diya (saudi arab aur Pakistan sameyt) chalo Pakistan mein aap kehtey hein shiaism ka pressure hai to saudia mein kia hai? lehaza aap iss barey mein aur parhey aap ko baat samajh aa jaye gi ke yahan kia discussion chal rehi hai

[Sohail]

1.agar madni munna bhai ki posts is thread may sey delete ki gaye hain to niqash sahab ki bhi ki jayen
2.agar niqash sahab ko esi home made lists deni hain to debate section may puri sanadon wagera k sath paish karain

Yeh debate section nehi hai iss liye yahan members ki behs nehi cheri ja sakti yahan aap ne nuqta uthaya ke shia kafir hai lehaza qdiyaniou ki tarah ussey ban kiya jaye uss ka jawab aap ko diya ja raha hai jo team ka kam hai aur kissi member koi aitraz hai to wo issi section mein new thread start ker sakta hai

[Malang009]

Mein aik daffa phir bata raha houn ke mein yahan her giz yeh nehi keh raha ke shia kafir hai ya muslim leikin shia ko kuch ulma na kafir kaha hai kuch ne nehi lehaza kissi islamic mulk, mufti-e-azam, constitution ne ussey ghyr muslim qarar nehi diya (saudi arab aur Pakistan sameyt) chalo Pakistan mein aap kehtey hein shiaism ka pressure hai to saudia mein kia hai? lehaza aap iss barey mein aur parhey aap ko baat samajh aa jaye gi ke yahan kia discussion chal rehi hai

jazakALLAH khair sohail bhai
ap beyshak ye samajh lain k mere pass jawab nahi hain
mere pass jawab hain ya nahi ye may janta hon ya ALLAH janta hay
mera ap sey behes karna jeet haar maqsad nahi tha bal k kuch sathiyon ko ye dikhana maqsood tha k ap ka is masley par nuqta e nazar kia hay or ALhumdulilah meri baat theek nikli
ap ka apney ap ko Anti shia kehney sey kuch nahi hota
kehney ko to may bhi apney apko shia dost keh sakta hon ladin dekha ye jaye ga k may shia k sath deosti dikhata hon ya nahi
or abi tak ap nay meri is baat ka jawab nahi dia k ap k nazdeek kisi k iman o kufr ka kia mayar hay
khair ye ap bhi jantey hain k iska jawab kiun nahi dia gaya or may bhi
or abi tak mujey ap nay aik alim ka naam nahi bataya jinho nay kaha ho k ham shia ko kafir nahi kehtey

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mujey umeed hay k ab mere wo dost samajh gaye hon gey
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لیکن ہمارے یہاں مسلمان بےچارے کسی کانسٹی ٹیوشن کے انتظار میں بیٹھے ہیں کہ وہ عدالت میں انکو کافر کہے تو پھر ہم کچھ کریں گے ۔۔۔۔۔۔

[Sohail]

jazakALLAH khair sohail bhai
ap beyshak ye samajh lain k mere pass jawab nahi hain
mere pass jawab hain ya nahi ye may janta hon ya ALLAH janta hay
mera ap sey behes karna jeet haar maqsad nahi tha bal k kuch sathiyon ko ye dikhana maqsood tha k ap ka is masley par nuqta e nazar kia hay or ALhumdulilah meri baat theek nikli
ap ka apney ap ko Anti shia kehney sey kuch nahi hota
kehney ko to may bhi apney apko shia dost keh sakta hon ladin dekha ye jaye ga k may shia k sath deosti dikhata hon ya nahi
or abi tak ap nay meri is baat ka jawab nahi dia k ap k nazdeek kisi k iman o kufr ka kia mayar hay
khair ye ap bhi jantey hain k iska jawab kiun nahi dia gaya or may bhi
or abi tak mujey ap nay aik alim ka naam nahi bataya jinho nay kaha ho k ham shia ko kafir nahi kehtey

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mujey umeed hay k ab mere wo dost samajh gaye hon gey
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لیکن ہمارے یہاں مسلمان بےچارے کسی کانسٹی ٹیوشن کے انتظار میں بیٹھے ہیں کہ وہ عدالت میں انکو کافر کہے تو پھر ہم کچھ کریں گے ۔۔۔۔۔۔

Yahan per do teen batain hein jin ko mein clarify kerna behter samajhta houn.

1) Sab se pehley mein yeh clear ker doun ke jo log sahaba ikram (Rizwan Allah ajmaeen) ki shan mein gustakhi kertey hein mein un ko HER GIZ HER GIZ muslim consider nehi kerta (Again, yeh meri apni raye hai kuch log aur aalim-e-deen iss raye se ittefaq nehi kertay) Yeh hamari duty honi chaye ke hum unn ulma (jin ka ahaluq keyi sects se hai) ke hotey houe apney faisley ko mutfiqah faisla ya ijmah bana ney ki koshish na kerein.
Inn ulma mein se kuch ne shia ko Fasiq (open sinner) aur kuch ne Munafiq (hypocrite) kaha hai aur Kafir ki satah tak janey se gurayez kiya hai.

2) Jo dousri bat aap ne kehi ke kin logou ne shia ko muslim kaha unn ka fatwa laein to aik bat yahan ke fatwa to yakeenan uss cheez ka ho ga jiss ki declaration deni ho gi (Jaise ke falan kafir hai)...kissi ke muslim honey ka fatwa to behr hal nehi ho ga (Jaisa ke ahl-e-hadees, deobandi, ahle sunnat ke muslim honey ka fatwa mojood nehi). To ulma ka kissi masley per khamosh rehney ka matlib hai ke wahan fatwa nehi banta.

3) Baki mein personally kalmey ke inkari, kalmey mein izafa ya kammi, ashaba ikram (RZ) ki shan mein gustakhi ke murtkib ko dayra islam se kharij samajhta houn (baki iss se ziyada kuch log ho saktey hein leikin yeh behrhal muslim nehi ho saktey jahan tak mein ne thorha boht parha hai aur again yeh mera khial hai iss ke liye supported material wo kuch hai jo mein ne thorha boht ulma ko sunna).

aur aakhri bat constitution ki mohtaji nehi hai almiya yeh hai ke shia related na hamarey han na kissi aur islamic mulk mein koi IJMAH mojood nehi iss ko OIC ya kissi muslim country constitution mein adress kerna chaye ta ke masla clear rehey. Till then yahan debate ke doran aap aisi bat ker saktey hein unless and untill uss mein galiyan houn ya behs baraye behs ho (do freekeyn mein se ger aik aisa kerta hai to iss ka matlab yeh nehi dousra yehi kerey iss se donou mein farak nehi rehta)

[Malang009]

janab sohail bhai ap ki akhri post bhi ye hi keh rahi hay k ap abi tak constitution k intazar may bethey hain k agar koi constitution un ko kafir qarar day to ap un ko islam section sey bahir nikalain
jab k kisi kafir ko kafir kehney k liye hamey kisi constitution ki zarorat nahi
agar qadiyaniyon ko koi kafir na kehta to kia ham un ka bhi section musalmanon waley section may bana detey or intazar kartey k jab OIC ya pakistan ya cape town ki hakumat un ko kafir kahey gi to ham bhi un ka section alag kar dain gey .........