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    Default ایک قادیانی سے میرا مباحثہ۔ جیتا کون؟





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    یہ احسان قادیانی نے جواب دیا

    mirza sahib ne sahi nishani batai ya nahin ye to bad ki bat hai ap ki is tehqeeq se adees mashkook hoti agar hadees sahi hai to ap ghalat hain.nasa ki report ghalat hai nabhi ki bat ghalat nahin ho sakti aur merey khayal main ye alfaz b tashree talab nahin hain.

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    Quote ahsan_gold,Aug 12 2009, 09:34 AM said:
    MIRZA SAHIB NE SAHI NISHANI BATAI YA NAHIN YE TO BAD KI BAT HAI AP KI IS TEHQEEQ SE ADEES MASHKOOK HOTI AGAR HADEES SAHI HAI TO AP GHALAT HAIN.NASA KI REPORT GHALAT HAI NABHI KI BAT GHALAT NAHIN HO SAKTI AUR MEREY KHAYAL MAIN YE ALFAZ B TASHREE TALAB NAHIN HAIN.


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    یہ احسان قادیانی نے جواب دیا

    Quote ahsan_gold,aug 12 2009, 06:05 pm said:
    shah sahib shahyad meri bat nahin samjey ap mera kehney ka matlab tha k ap ko is hadees se sahi honey par etraz hai?

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    Quote ahsan_gold,aug 12 2009, 06:05 pm said:
    shah sahib shahyad meri bat nahin samjey ap mera kehney ka matlab tha k ap ko is hadees se sahi honey par etraz hai?

    جناب احسان صاحب
    آپ کیوں ہر دفعہ مجھے ٹوپک سے ہٹانے کی کوشش کرتے ہیں
    خیر احسان صاحب میں نے اس حدیث کے صحیح یا غلط ہونے کی کوءی بات نہیں کی
    میں نے تو اس حدیث کے زریعے سے مرزا کا پول کھولا ہے
    کیا میں نے جو کچھ اوپر بیان کیا ہے وہ غلظ ہے
    اگر غط ہے تو ثابت کریں پروف کے ساتھ میری بات غلط ہے
    شکریہ

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    جناب احسان صاحب
    میں اس حدیث کو بالکل صحیح مانتا ہوں
    اور یہ حدیث مہدی علیہ سلام کے ظہور کی نشانی ہے
    لیکن اس حدیث میں جو شرط اس کا بھی پورا ہونا ضروری ہے
    اب آپ خود بو لیں


    کیا اس حدیث کی تمام نشانیاں پوری ہو چکی تھیں مرزا کے وقت میں؟

    شکریہ




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    یہ احسان قادیانی نے جواب دیا

    dekhain shah sahib ap kehtey hain k mirza sahib mehdi nahin hain farz karo kal a jatey hain jsisey ap kehtey hain waisey to wo to jhootey hoon gay nasa ki report k mutabik q k un se pehley b ye waqiya howa ho ga aur aik nahin 2 ye teen bar to us hadees k alfaz ki kya waliyo reh jati hai k jab se zameno asman baney hain ye kisi k liye zahir nahin howa hai zara samjo.


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    Quote ahsan_gold,Aug 12 2009, 07:56 PM said:
    DEKHAIN SHAH SAHIB AP KEHTEY HAIN K MIRZA SAHIB MEHDI NAHIN HAIN FARZ KARO KAL A JATEY HAIN JSISEY AP KEHTEY HAIN WAISEY TO WO TO JHOOTEY HOON GAY NASA KI REPORT K MUTABIK Q K UN SE PEHLEY B YE WAQIYA HOWA HO GA AUR AIK NAHIN 2 YE TEEN BAR TO US HADEES K ALFAZ KI KYA WALIYO REH JATI HAI K JAB SE ZAMENO ASMAN BANEY HAIN YE KISI K LIYE ZAHIR NAHIN HOWA HAI ZARA SAMJO.


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    یہ احسان قادیانی نے جواب دیا



    shahyad main ap ki bat na samja nahin.
    Bahar hal e aisa waqiya hai k jab se zameenon asman baney hain kisi mamoor k liye zahir nahin howa hai.
    Jab mirza sahib ne dawa kiya k main mehdi hoon to ulman ne ye hadees pesh ki k ye bat nahin hoi hai is liye tum mehdi nahin ho to khudha ne ye bat kar b di is k bad ulman is hadees se hi munkir ho gaye.kuch aisa howa tha.

    Ab bat kuch yoon banti hai jab ye waqiya hona tha us se pehley mirza sahib dawa kar chukey they imam mehdi honey ka jis k bad ye waqiya b ho gaya .

    Agar is se pehley howa tha to us waqat koi dawey darey mehdi b nahin tha bhai jan.

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    Quote ahsan_gold,Aug 12 2009, 08:59 PM said:
    SHAHYAD MAIN AP KI BAT NA SAMJA NAHIN.
    BAHAR HAL E AISA WAQIYA HAI K JAB SE ZAMEENON ASMAN BANEY HAIN KISI MAMOOR K LIYE ZAHIR NAHIN HOWA HAI.
    JAB MIRZA SAHIB NE DAWA KIYA K MAIN MEHDI HOON TO ULMAN NE YE HADEES PESH KI K YE BAT NAHIN HOI HAI IS LIYE TUM MEHDI NAHIN HO TO KHUDHA NE YE BAT KAR B DI IS K BAD ULMAN IS HADEES SE HI MUNKIR HO GAYE.KUCH AISA HOWA THA.

    AB BAT KUCH YOON BANTI HAI JAB YE WAQIYA HONA THA US SE PEHLEY MIRZA SAHIB DAWA KAR CHUKEY THEY IMAM MEHDI HONEY KA JIS K BAD YE WAQIYA B HO GAYA .

    AGAR IS SE PEHLEY HOWA THA TO US WAQAT KOI DAWEY DAREY MEHDI B NAHIN THA BHAI JAN.

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    یہ احسان قادیانی نے جواب دیا


    ap ne kaha aur main b samajta hoon k ye hadees sahi hai.ap ne jo tarjuma kiya hai wo kuch yoon hai k aisa kabhi nahin howa ye sirf masih k time hi hona tha.ab ap ye bataye k jis time ye howa tha pehli dafa us time koi masih hona chahiye tha aur agar farz karo kal koi masih honey ka dawa karta hai to wo to juta ho gaye ga na is bat se to ap ne saf hi lapet di mehdi ki q k kal ap hi ka koi admin masih honey ka dawa karey to wo lazmin jhota ho ga ap k tarjumey k mutabik.



    Bat ye hai merey bhai tarjuma kartey waqat alfaz ka farak ho sakta hai mafhoom ka nahin.
    Hadees ka mafhoom hai jab ye waqiya ho ga us waqat koi dawey dar zaroor ho ga mehdi ka. Pehley mehdi ka hona aur us k bad ye waqiya hona maqsood hai is hadees main. Merey khayal main jahan tak main is hadees ko samja hoon.

    Doosri bat shah g is ki behas ka faida us waqat hai jab hum apney pehley akedey se agey barain.(wafat e masih)

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