ایک قادیانی سے میرا مباحثہ۔ جیتا کون؟

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یہ احسان قادیانی نے جواب دیا

main ne bilkul thek kaha hai k allah talah apna qanoon nahin torta.qanoon tori hi is liye jata hai jab us main koi nuks ho aur allah ka kanoon to phir har nuks se pak hai hota hai.
Han allah talah apney qanoon main lachaq rakhta hai usey torta nahin hai.
Ye wohi bat hai allah beshak har chez par qadir hai is main koi shak nahin hai lekin phir wo hi bat jo qanoon hai wo nahin torta hai.
Bilkul sahi hai k maryam ko kisi b mard ne nahin chowa tha aur is k bawajood wo hamila hoin thin aur ye bat khudha k kanoon k khilaf nahin hai.pehley kisi dor main to shahyad main tumhain na samaja sakta magar aj k dor main to science ne sabit kiya hai eghair bap k b bacha ho jata hai.
Wo is tarha k kisi b bachi ki pedhaish k waqat us k andar wo mada jis se bacha pedea hota hai pehley se hi mojood hota hai aur wo apney waqat main mil kar hamal ban jata hai is ka tafeseli jawab mirza tahir ahmed ki majlse irfan main hai main kabhi ap ko sunwa don ga ye kanoone qudrat k khilaf nahin hai.
Sooraj ka maghrib se nikalna b zahir main nahin ho sakta aur ki tashree ho gi aur ye bat to aj poori b ho gai hai mta ki soorat main.
Nabhi kareem ko soorat b kaha gaya hai bas nabhi kareem ki asal talemat jo aj musalmanon main na paid hain mta k zareye asman se hotey howey phir zameen par a rahi hain ye b us hadees ka matlab hai.

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MAIN NE BILKUL THEK KAHA HAI K ALLAH TALAH APNA QANOON NAHIN TORTA.QANOON TORI HI IS LIYE JATA HAI JAB US MAIN KOI NUKS HO AUR ALLAH KA KANOON TO PHIR HAR NUKS SE PAK HAI HOTA HAI.
HAN ALLAH TALAH APNEY QANOON MAIN LACHAQ RAKHTA HAI USEY TORTA NAHIN HAI.
YE WOHI BAT HAI ALLAH BESHAK HAR CHEZ PAR QADIR HAI IS MAIN KOI SHAK NAHIN HAI LEKIN PHIR WO HI BAT JO QANOON HAI WO NAHIN TORTA HAI.
BILKUL SAHI HAI K MARYAM KO KISI B MARD NE NAHIN CHOWA THA AUR IS K BAWAJOOD WO HAMILA HOIN THIN AUR YE BAT KHUDHA K KANOON K KHILAF NAHIN HAI.PEHLEY KISI DOR MAIN TO SHAHYAD MAIN TUMHAIN NA SAMAJA SAKTA MAGAR AJ K DOR MAIN TO SCIENCE NE SABIT KIYA HAI EGHAIR BAP K B BACHA HO JATA HAI.
WO IS TARHA K KISI B BACHI KI PEDHAISH K WAQAT US K ANDAR WO MADA JIS SE BACHA PEDEA HOTA HAI PEHLEY SE HI MOJOOD HOTA HAI AUR WO APNEY WAQAT MAIN MIL KAR HAMAL BAN JATA HAI IS KA TAFESELI JAWAB MIRZA TAHIR AHMED KI MAJLSE IRFAN MAIN HAI MAIN KABHI AP KO SUNWA DON GA YE KANOONE QUDRAT K KHILAF NAHIN HAI.
SOORAJ KA MAGHRIB SE NIKALNA B ZAHIR MAIN NAHIN HO SAKTA AUR KI TASHREE HO GI AUR YE BAT TO AJ POORI B HO GAI HAI MTA KI SOORAT MAIN.
NABHI KAREEM :saw: KO SOORAT B KAHA GAYA HAI BAS NABHI KAREEM :saw: KI ASAL TALEMAT JO AJ MUSALMANON MAIN NA PAID HAIN MTA K ZAREYE ASMAN SE HOTEY HOWEY PHIR ZAMEEN PAR A RAHI HAIN YE B US HADEES KA MATLAB HAI.

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یہ احسان قادیانی نے جواب دیا

agar in bataonn ko ap hades main jo biyan hoi hain zahiran lain gay to(sooraj ka magrib se nikalna)to merey bhai kudha ki kudhai hi hath se jati hai un ko zahiran nahin tamselan pesha kiya taja hai. Jis ko ap samajtey ho ka zahiran main bat ho rahi hai.
Aur jahan aur bohat sari tehqeq hai ap k pass wahan ye tehqeq b dhond lo k aisa mumkin hai k nahin baghair bap k bacha peda ho sakta hai k nahin aur ye q bhol jatey ho adam k to man aur bap ka donon ka koi pata nahin hai q k insan ki pedaish bin bap k hi hoi hai.

Main ne kaha tha k mta b us ki aik ye b misal hai na k tamam ka tamam aur jab sooraj darmiyan main a jaye to kon inkar karey ga k waqi sooraj nikla hai(zahiran nahin)
raha qayamat ki nishaniyoon main se aik to qyamat ka aik matlab azeem rohani inkalab b hota hai na k sab kuch khatam.
Main ne ap ko kanon e qudrat wali bat nahin batai thi k (bakrey k dood wali bat)balk ye explain kiya tha k mirza sahib ki bat par to bara etraz kartey ho k unhon ne ye likha is ki misalain pehley b hain aur jamat ne pesh b ki thi ulmaoon ko chahey unhon ne dekhi ya nahin.


Ap ka dosra sawal k hazrat ibraheem ko agh main dala gaya tha to merey bhai ye b agh wo agh nahin hai jo zahir main ap ne dekhi hai balk ye wo agh hai jis main har nabhi dala gaya hai yani mukhalafat ki agh.

Ab aik batain syedoon k liye ata hai k unhain agh jalati nahin hai us k barey main ap kya kahain gay kya wo zahir wali agh hai ya.






Khudha ka kanoon jab se hai aur jab tak kainat hai is main ap koi tabdeli nahin dekho gay ye allah ka dawa hai agar chang ho gaya to khudha k dawey ki kya haisiyat rehti hai merey dost.

Ap samjo k kaha kya ja raha hai hazrat mehdi ne a kar ye sab hi to sahi karna tha jo musalamanon k firqoon main tarha tarha k akedey a gaye hain jaisey bani israyeel main a gaye they same to same ye na meri bat hai na mirza sahib ki allah k us babarkat nabhi ki bat hai jo tamam jahanon k liye rehmat bana kar bejey gaye they aur unhin ka zil hazrat mirza sahib hain.

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AUR SAB SE KHAS BAT JO AP AUR AP K US WAQAT K ULMAN
BHOL GAYE THEY AUR SHARMINDAGHI UTHAI THI WO YE K
RAMZAN K PEHLEY DIN K CHAND KO HILAL KEHTEY HAIN NA K KAMAR .


JAISEY KABHI AP NE YE DEKHA HAI K QAMAR KAMETI
BETHTI HAI CHAND DEKHNEY K LIYE HAMESHA HILAL
KAMAITY BETHTI HAI CHAND DEKHNEY K LIYE.

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یہ احسان قادیانی نے جواب دیا

na manney waley k liye so bahaney manney waley ki koi nahin.

Us main tashree ki gai hai (lughat main)k peeli rat k kamar ko kamar nahin hilal kehtey hain aur hadees main kahain nahin hai k hilal ko ghrehan lagey ga .

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na manney waley k liye so bahaney manney waley ki koi nahin.

Us main tashree ki gai hai (lughat main)k peeli rat k kamar ko kamar nahin hilal kehtey hain aur hadees main kahain nahin hai k hilal ko ghrehan lagey ga .

مین نے اتنی تفصیل سے اپنی بات کی وضاحت کی
لیکن پھر بھی تمارے لیے مرغی کی ایک ہی ٹانگ ہے
مرغی کی ایک ٹانگ: مرغی کی ایک ٹانگ: مرغی کی ایک ٹانگ :مرغی کی ایک ٹانگ
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مرغی کی ایک ٹانگ: مرغی کی ایک ٹانگ: مرغی کی ایک ٹانگ :مرغی کی ایک ٹانگ

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یہ احسان قادیانی نے جواب دیا

dekhin jitna mujey ilam tha main ne ap ko bata diya is barey main k aisa mumkin hai na k namumkin lekin jo namumkin hai us ko ap mumkin karney ki musalsal koshish kar rahey hain yani khuda apney banaye howey qanoon ko torta hai aur qanoon sirf is liye torey jatey hain k us main nuks nikalta hai kamaz kam main ye hamari jamat ye nahin samajti k allah ka banaya howa kanoon toot sakta hai.

Rahi bat k allah ko nishani dekhani ho to b merey bhai wo apney kanoon se bahir nahin jata hai.

Han baz alfaz hotey hain quran aur hadees main jo bazahir ap ko ya mujey b laghtey hain hain k kanoony qudrat k khilaf hain to merey bhai un ki taweel hoti hai.na k haqeeqat jaisey soraj ka maghrib se taloo hona.



Beshak islam deney fitrat hai aur asan b hai lekin jab akal par pathar par jain dilon par mohar lag jaye to bhai phir isi tarha hota hai jaisa aj alamey islam ka hal hai.
Ap is topic se relateted net par serch karo ap ko mil jaye ga(bina miley ulad peda hona)
mehdi ka kam ye hi hai k islam ko dobara zinda karna jaisa k nabhi kareem k dor main tha .


Mirza sahib k bad hi nahin un se pehley b bohat sarey mehdi k dawey dar they.quran main nabhi ki sadaqat ko janchney k liye b qulya hai(jhotey aur sachey ki tameez karney ka formula)khair ye aik lambha topic hai phir kabhi discus ho ga. Aur hadees k alfaz se b hai k nabhi akreem ko ilam tha k aur b mehdi k dawey dar hon gay is liye sachey ko hamarey mehdi k name se bataya hai.

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جناب احساں صاحب
آپ نے یہ بھی کہا تھا پڑھ لیں نیچے

SHAHYAD MAIN AP KI BAT NA SAMJA NAHIN.
BAHAR HAL E AISA WAQIYA HAI K JAB SE ZAMEENON ASMAN BANEY HAIN KISI MAMOOR K LIYE ZAHIR NAHIN HOWA HAI.
JAB MIRZA SAHIB NE DAWA KIYA K MAIN MEHDI HOON TO ULMAN NE YE HADEES PESH KI K YE BAT NAHIN HOI HAI IS LIYE TUM MEHDI NAHIN HO TO KHUDHA NE YE BAT KAR B DI IS K BAD ULMAN IS HADEES SE HI MUNKIR HO GAYE.KUCH AISA HOWA THA.

AB BAT KUCH YOON BANTI HAI JAB YE WAQIYA HONA THA US SE PEHLEY MIRZA SAHIB DAWA KAR CHUKEY THEY IMAM MEHDI HONEY KA JIS K BAD YE WAQIYA B HO GAYA .

AGAR IS SE PEHLEY HOWA THA TO US WAQAT KOI DAWEY DAREY MEHDI B NAHIN THA BHAI JAN.

اور اب جب میں نے آپ سے کہا کہ کچھہ اور لوگوں نے بھی دعوا کیا تھا
اسی دور مین جب مرزا نے دعوا کیا تھا تو اب آپ اپنی اوپر والی بات سے مکر رہے ہیں
کیوں؟

DEKHIN JITNA MUJEY ILAM THA MAIN NE AP KO BATA DIYA IS BAREY MAIN K AISA MUMKIN HAI NA K NAMUMKIN LEKIN JO NAMUMKIN HAI US KO AP MUMKIN KARNEY KI MUSALSAL KOSHISH KAR RAHEY HAIN YANI KHUDA APNEY BANAYE HOWEY QANOON KO TORTA HAI AUR QANOON SIRF IS LIYE TOREY JATEY HAIN K US MAIN NUKS NIKALTA HAI KAMAZ KAM MAIN YE HAMARI JAMAT YE NAHIN SAMAJTI K ALLAH KA BANAYA HOWA KANOON TOOT SAKTA HAI.

RAHI BAT K ALLAH KO NISHANI DEKHANI HO TO B MEREY BHAI WO APNEY KANOON SE BAHIR NAHIN JATA HAI.

HAN BAZ ALFAZ HOTEY HAIN QURAN AUR HADEES MAIN JO BAZAHIR AP KO YA MUJEY B LAGHTEY HAIN HAIN K KANOONY QUDRAT K KHILAF HAIN TO MEREY BHAI UN KI TAWEEL HOTI HAI.NA K HAQEEQAT JAISEY SORAJ KA MAGHRIB SE TALOO HONA.



BESHAK ISLAM DENEY FITRAT HAI AUR ASAN B HAI LEKIN JAB AKAL PAR PATHAR PAR JAIN DILON PAR MOHAR LAG JAYE TO BHAI PHIR ISI TARHA HOTA HAI JAISA AJ ALAMEY ISLAM KA HAL HAI.
AP IS TOPIC SE RELATETED NET PAR SERCH KARO AP KO MIL JAYE GA(BINA MILEY ULAD PEDA HONA)
MEHDI KA KAM YE HI HAI K ISLAM KO DOBARA ZINDA KARNA JAISA K NABHI KAREEM* :saw:* K DOR MAIN THA .


MIRZA SAHIB K BAD HI NAHIN UN SE PEHLEY B BOHAT SAREY MEHDI K DAWEY DAR THEY.QURAN MAIN NABHI KI SADAQAT KO JANCHNEY K LIYE B QULYA HAI(JHOTEY AUR SACHEY KI TAMEEZ KARNEY KA FORMULA)KHAIR YE AIK LAMBHA TOPIC HAI PHIR KABHI DISCUS HO GA.* AUR HADEES K ALFAZ SE B HAI K NABHI AKREEM* :saw:* KO ILAM THA K AUR B MEHDI K DAWEY DAR HON GAY IS LIYE SACHEY KO HAMAREY MEHDI K NAME SE BATAYA HAI.

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یہ احسان قادیانی نے جواب دیا

waisey meri maloomat k mutabik us time koi b dawey dar nahin tha mehdi ka aur us ne kabhi is nishan ko apney sachai k liye nahin gardana aghr koi hai to batao.


Dekho mirza sahib ye kisi b schey nabhi ka pehchan k liye quran main ayat hai jis par sirf mirza sahib sahi sabit hotey hain na k koi aur nabhi karem se le kar aj tak.(incloded ghohar shahi)

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WAISEY MERI MALOOMAT K MUTABIK US TIME KOI B DAWEY DAR NAHIN THA MEHDI KA AUR US NE KABHI IS NISHAN KO APNEY SACHAI K LIYE NAHIN GARDANA AGHR KOI HAI TO BATAO.


DEKHO MIRZA SAHIB YE KISI B SCHEY NABHI KA PEHCHAN K LIYE QURAN MAIN AYAT HAI JIS PAR SIRF MIRZA SAHIB SAHI SABIT HOTEY HAIN NA K KOI AUR NABHI KAREM :saw:* SE LE KAR AJ TAK.(INCLODED GHOHAR SHAHI)

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یہ احسان قادیانی نے جواب دیا

ap mujey dawey dar to batao k kahan they aur unhon ne kaha k ye nishan hamarey liye zahir howa hai aik aur bat ap ko bata doo is nishan ka allah talah ne baraheney ahmadiya main pehley hi se mirza sahib ko bata diya tha main ne b kaha tha k ye aik nishani hai na k tamam aur quran ki gawahi b mirza sahib k sath thi bahar hal ap un shakhsiyatoon ka to batao jinhon ne un k waqat main mehdi ka dawa kiya tha.