ایک قادیانی سے میرا مباحثہ۔ جیتا کون؟

[Irfan_shah]

ap mujey dawey dar to batao k kahan they aur unhon ne kaha k ye nishan hamarey liye zahir howa hai aik aur bat ap ko bata doo is nishan ka allah talah ne baraheney ahmadiya main pehley hi se mirza sahib ko bata diya tha main ne b kaha tha k ye aik nishani hai na k tamam aur quran ki gawahi b mirza sahib k sath thi bahar hal ap un shakhsiyatoon ka to batao jinhon ne un k waqat main mehdi ka dawa kiya tha.

آپ کی بات کا مطلب یہ ہویا کے اس کے بعد بھی آپ نہین مانو گے کہ
مرذا جھوٹا تھاچاہے وہ جھوٹا ثابت ہوجاءے اپنی اس بات میں

[Irfan_shah]

یہ احسان قادیانی نے جواب دیا

mirza sahib ko ap ka (kaam) nahi hai jhota sabit karna aghar wo jhotey hotey to khudha kudh faisala karta ap un logon ka name batao.

[Irfan_shah]

MIRZA SAHIB KO AP KA NAHI HAI JHOTA SABIT KARNA GHAR WO JHOTEY HOTEY TO KHUDHA KUDH FAISALA KARTA AP UN LOGON KA NAME BATAO.

[Irfan_shah]

یہ احسان قادیانی نے جواب دیا

3 kya teen so b mehdi k dawey dar they hazrat sahib k ilawa us waqat to wo sab jhotey they sirf mirza sahib sachey hain q k ye nishan khudha ne un k liye zahir kiya tha aur inhon ne apni nishani k tor par usey kaha tha aur logon ne kaha tha k nishan zahir nahin howa mehdi ka yani chand aur soraj girehan aur phir kudha ne zahir kar diya aur ye nishan baraheney ahmadiya main b darj tha is se kafi pehley jab baraheney ahmadiya likhi gai thi.

[Irfan_shah]

[Irfan_shah]

یہ احسان قادیانی نے جواب دیا

merey bhai wo 2 ya teen dawaye mehdi karney waley to batao jinhoon ne is nishan ko apni sachai k liye nishani kaha in 2 kya us se pehley b mehdi k dawa karney waloon ne kaha ho un ka b batao.

Ye bat aik hi dafa honi thi aur wo ho chuki hai.


Baki aik mafrezey par bat kar k samajney ki koshish karta hoon main.

Farz karo mirza sahib ne jhota dawa kiya tha aur is nishan ko b apney liye zahir hona kaha tha.ab farz karo jis tarha ap kehtey ho mehdi a jata hai to kya hadees k alfaz us par sadir hon gay agar wo ye hi hadees apney opar rakh kar kahan k ye nishani poori ho gai hai aur jab se asman aur zameen baney hain kisi ne apni sachai k liye is ko pesha nahin kya to kya ye bat sahi ho gi ye bat to ho chuki ho gi mirza sahib k liye ab main ap se keh raha hoon k ap mujey nabhi kareem se le kar mehdi k dawey dar batao jis ne is ko nishani k tor par kaha ho aur un k dor main aisa howa ho.


Main na mano main nahin ap kar rahey ho wafatey masih k time b aur abhi b agey dekhtey hain k mantey hain k nahin.

[Irfan_shah]

ye bat aik hi dafa honi thi aur wo ho chuki hai.


Baki aik mafrezey par bat kar k samajney ki koshish karta hoon main.

farz karo mirza sahib ne jhota dawa kiya tha aur is nishan ko b apney liye zahir hona kaha tha.ab farz karo jis tarha ap kehtey ho mehdi a jata hai to kya hadees k alfaz us par sadir hon gay agar wo ye hi hadees apney opar rakh kar kahan k ye nishani poori ho gai hai aur jab se asman aur zameen baney hain kisi ne apni sachai k liye is ko pesha nahin kya to kya ye bat sahi ho gi ye bat to ho chuki ho gi mirza sahib k liye ab main ap se keh raha hoon k ap mujey nabhi kareem :saw:* se le kar mehdi k dawey dar batao jis ne is ko nishani k tor par kaha ho aur un k dor main aisa howa ho.


main na mano main nahin ap kar rahey ho wafatey masih k time b aur abhi b agey dekhtey hain k mantey hain k nahin.

جناب احسان صاحب
آپ کی اس بات کا جواب میں اوپر اپنی پوسٹ میں دے چکا ہوں
اسلیے تو میں آپ کو بول رہا ہوں کہ
پلیز ایک بار پھر سے میری تمام پوسٹ کو پڑھ لیں
ایک سوال کو بار بار مت کریں
شکریہ

[Irfan_shah]

یہ احسان قادیانی نے جواب دیا

main jo bakol ap k fazol page post kiye hain un main jin kitabon k hawaley hain un ko ghalat sabit karna shurow kar do jin main kaha gaya hai k imam mehdi k dor k ulman ki ye halat ho gi aur nabhi kareem ki hadees ko b jis main kaha tha k ulman battareen makhlok hon gay.

[Irfan_shah]

MAIN JO BAKOL AP K FAZOL PAGE POST KIYE HAIN UN MAIN JIN KITABON K HAWALEY HAIN UN KO GHALAT SABIT KARNA SHUROW KAR DO JIN MAIN KAHA GAYA HAI K IMAM MEHDI K DOR K ULMAN KI YE HALAT HO GI AUR NABHI KAREEM :saw: KI HADEES KO B JIS MAIN KAHA THA K ULMAN BATTAREEN MAKHLOK HON GAY.

احسان صاحب
ٹوپک کو گول کرنے کی کوشش مت کیا کریں
پلیز
شکریہ

[Irfan_shah]

یہ احسان قادیانی نے جواب دیا

main ne bhai jo b bat ki hai topic k mutabik hi hai ap ko nahin lag rahi to main kya karon.

Ab ap ye batain k kya ap hadees ko sahi mantey hain k nahin.
Aur hadees k alfaz k hisab se sirf mirza sahib hi mehdi hotey hain.

Ab bhai hadees ko paro aur jag karo.

Hadees k alfaz ye hain.

Hamarey mehdi k liye 2 nishan hain aur jab se zameno asman banain hain ye kabhi zahir nahin howey hain aik ye k ramzan k mahaney main girehan lagey ga grehan ki pehley din aur soraj ko girehan lagey ga darmaiyaney din.


Ab ya bat hoi k nahin ap ye batao
dosri bat ye k aisa hona koi ehmiyat nahin rakhta hai jab tak koi nehdi ka dawey dar na ho to aur wo is ko apney sachai k liye b pesha karey.ap ka kehna hai us waqat kuch aur b mehdi k dawey dar they to bhai btao un ka dawaye mehdi aur un ka is nishan ko apney liye zahir hona kaha ho.

Prof mujey nahin ap ko dena hai k aisa nahin howa tha ya in main se koi aik bat poori nahin hoi thi.

Manna na manna ap ka kam hai.

[Irfan_shah]

:bismillah:

MAIN NE BHAI JO B BAT KI HAI TOPIC K MUTABIK HI HAI AP KO NAHIN LAG RAHI TO MAIN KYA KARON.

AB AP YE BATAIN K KYA AP HADEES KO SAHI MANTEY HAIN K NAHIN.
AUR HADEES K ALFAZ K HISAB SE SIRF MIRZA SAHIB HI MEHDI HOTEY HAIN.

AB BHAI HADEES KO PARO AUR JAG KARO.

HADEES K ALFAZ YE HAIN.

HAMAREY MEHDI K LIYE 2 NISHAN HAIN AUR JAB SE ZAMENO
ASMAN BANAIN HAIN YE KABHI ZAHIR NAHIN HOWEY HAIN
AIK YE K RAMZAN K MAHANEY MAIN GIREHAN LAGEY GA
GREHAN KI PEHLEY DIN AUR SORAJ KO GIREHAN LAGEY GA
DARMAIYANEY DIN.

AB YA BAT HOI K NAHIN AP YE BATAO

DOSRI BAT YE K AISA HONA KOI EHMIYAT NAHIN RAKHTA HAI
JAB TAK KOI NEHDI KA DAWEY DAR NA HO TO AUR WO IS KO
APNEY SACHAI K LIYE B PESHA KAREY.

AP KA KEHNA HAI US WAQAT KUCH AUR B MEHDI K DAWEY DAR THEY TO BHAI BTAO UN KA DAWAYE MEHDI AUR UN KA IS NISHAN KO APNEY LIYE ZAHIR HONA KAHA HO.

PROF MUJEY NAHIN AP KO DENA HAI K AISA NAHIN HOWA THA YA IN MAIN SE KOI AIK BAT POORI NAHIN HOI THI.

MANNA NA MANNA AP KA KAM HAI.

[Irfan_shah]

یہ احسان قادیانی نے جواب دیا

main ne ap se pehley b kaha tha aur lughat se b conform kar lo k ramazan k pehley din k chand ko kamar nahin kehtey hain hilal kehtey hain aur hadees main kamar aya hai is liye wo pehli rat ka chand nahin hai.dosri bat ye batao k kabhi aisa ho sakta hai k chand aur soraj girehan ki moayan tarekhoon k ilawa b chand aur soraj girehan ho sakta hai k nahin.kya khudha apna banaya howa kanoon torta hai k nahin.

Ye main is liye poch raha hoon k ap keh rahey hain k chand girehan ramzan k pehley din ho ga is liye.

Dosri bat jo tarjumeain ki kar rahey hain to merey bhai aik jumley main bohat se matlab pinhan hotain hain.

Jaisey is hadees main hain hadees k shorow main mehdi ka zikar howa hai jo main kirdar hai is nishan hai ab jo nishan zahir hon gay wo mehdi k liye hi zahir hon gay na k kisi aur k liye is liye hamara yahan ye tarjuman karna jaiz hai q k is main ye bat hiden hai k kis k liye nishan hain.