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    aap ne bare pyare andaz me bayan kiya hai k koi panjabi ya mughal weisa nahin samajh sakta jesa koi arabi samajh sakta hai,
    is bare me sirf itna kehna chahoon ga k sirf arab se belong karna lazim nahin,abu jehal ko bhi arabi aati thi,aur wo bhi arabi samajhta tha,lekin jin ki ankhoon pe parde hoon wo kabi bhi nahin dekh pate...
    Allah talah apne naik bandoon ko behar haal matalib samjhata hai,aur aj tak sakjhata aya hai,aaj tak jin jin logon ne quran ko samjha wo sub arabi nah the,

    aap ne kaha k hum wahan us maqam k nazdeek hain,yeh beharhaal aap ki khushkismati hai.aur kyon k ye wo zameen hai jis pe hamare pyare aaqa huzur (s.a.w) paida hue aur muqadas hayat guzari isi liye hamare dil se wahan abad logon k liye dua nikalti hai k khuda us zameen pe rehne waloon ko maseeh-o-mehdi ko maanane ki toufiq ataa kare.ameen.

    hijrat k sath wapis ana ka waqt koi lazim nahin k jald ho,haan yeh zurur hota hai allah hijrat me barkat rakhta hai,aur jo dushman ye soch k khush horahe hote hain k hum ne hijrat pe majboor kar diya,un ki khushi jald he khatam hojati hai jab khuda talah pehle se barh k taraqi k saman paida karta hai r dushmano k liye siwae hasad k kuch nahin bachta.aur jab allah talah ki taraf se ishare hoon wo zurur wapis aate hain,aur bari shan se wapis aate hain.
    wo waqt bhi jald he ayega.ameen.

    ap ne kaha momin banain gay tou he momino ki rafaqat nasib ho gi na..
    mein apki ye bat zurur manta hoon., isi tarha agar nabi banain gay tou he nabi ki rafaqat nasib hogi na....khair ye apki baat ka jawab tha

    Allah aur huzur(s.a.w) atta"at k karne k bawajud is duniya mein kya koi inaam nahin mileingay.tou phir sura fateha me kon se inaaamo ki duaeen karte rehte hain?
    pehli ummato k liye un ki zindagi mein bhi aur hamare liye sirf aakhrat....
    1 jumla ap ne kaha 1 mein kehta hoon k ye tou wo he baat hui
    "na khuda he mila na wisaal-e-sanam"
    huzur (s.a.w) se pehli ki nabiyon ki umaton ko shaheed aur saleh ka rutba diya gaya
    magar hamare aaqa (s.a.w) jin ki umaat behtarin ummat hai.aur jis pak nabi(s.a.w) k liye duniya banae gayi us ki agar kamil atta"at ki jaye tou ye bhi na mile..
    her giz nahin bal k agar jo hamare aaq(s.a.w) ki atta't kre khuda is aayat me une siddiq aur nabi k rutba ki bhi khushkhabri deraha hai.
    choon k deen mukamal hochuka aur shariyat ki imarat aakhri eent lagne se mukamal hogye is liye sharie nabi nahin aasakta...
    sirf mirza sahib ko na manne k liye kyon islam ki azmat ko kam karne ki koshish karte hain.khudara islam pe itna zulm na karain..
    aur apni zaat per bhi..................
    aur hazrat miraz sahib k aane se pehle ullama hazraat is baat ko maante the k sharie nabi aasakta hai..
    lekin ye bhi haqeeqt hai k jab bhi koi nabi aaya logon ne use jhutlaya he hai....

    zia bahi saaf dil ho k sochiye ga..aur jo mene likha ise aik bhai ka paigham samajh k ghor se parhiye ga...jazakumullah

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    اسلام علی من اتبر الھدی
    طاہر بھائی ہمیں آپ سے کوئی دشمنی نہیں یقین جانئے آپ ہمارا بچھڑا ہوا سرمایہ ہیں آپ ہمارے بچھڑے ہوئے بھائی ہیں۔
    ہمیں اگر آپ سے دشمنی ہے تو اس بات پر کہ آپ نے ہامرا آقاا کی مسند نبوت پر ایک ایسا شخص کو لا بٹھایا جو شریف انسان کہنے کی بھی لائق نہیں۔
    آپ نے مجھے ککہا کہ گالیاں نہیں دینہ سخت بات نہیں کرنی
    آپ کی یہ بات سن کر مجھے سخت تعجب ہوا کیا آپ نے کبھی اپنے جھوٹے نبی کی کتابیں پڑھیں ہیں آپ کے مرزا صاحب نے اپنی مخالفین کو حرامی دجال اور نہ جانے کیا کیا کہتے رہی اس وقت آپ کی تہذیب کہاں تھی اور اب نعرہ لگاتے ہیں کہ love for all hatred for nonمیں بطور مثال نیچی مرزا صاحب کی کتابوں کے عکسی حوالے پیش کر رہا ہوں جس میں نشان بھی لگادئے گئے ۔
    آپ ان کو پڑھ کر خود اندازہ لگالیجئے کیا ایک نبی کی یہ زبان ہوتی ہے آپ کے مرزا صاحب نے اپنی مخالفین کو 450 سے زائد گالیاں دی اگر آپ کہیں تو میں یہ سب ثابت کرنے کیلئے تیار ہوں۔دیکھے طاہر بھائی یہ دنہا ادھر ہی رہ جانے والی ہے ۔
    خدارا اس دنیا کےئے اپنی آخرت کو برباد مت کیجئے۔
    نیچے لنک پر دو کتابیں ہیں ان کا مطالعہ کیجئے۔
    میں نے یہ حوالے دئے ہیں ان کو پڑھئے
    اگر پھر بھی بات سمجھ میں نہ آئے تو یہ میرا نمبر ہے 03332405284
    یا تو مجھے قادیانی بنادیجئے یا خود مسلمان بن جائے۔
    میرے پاس نیٹ پر آنے کیلئے زیادہ وقت نہیں ہوتا برائے مہربانی آپ مجھ سے رابطہ کریں۔
    میں نے مرزا صاحب کی اخلاق کے چند نمونے پیش کردئے۔
    اگر آپ کو پھر بھی سمجھ میں نی آئے تو انشاء اللہ اس پر مفصل گفتگو کا آغاز کردیا جائے گا۔
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    Quote Sajidkhan0333 said: View Post
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    Bilkul Theek Kaha Saajid bhaee...

    Main Bhi Yehi Kehta Hun k hum Huq Chaahtay Hain, Agar To In main Himmat Hai ,Dalaayel Dain Main Shart Lagaata Hun Ya Main In K Saath Mil Jaata Hun Or Agar Jhoot Saabit Ho Geya To In Ko Ahmedi se mohammadi Ban'na Ho Ga, without hazitating k hummaaray maan baap nay hummain ahmedi banaaya hai.......or ab hum ye change kaisay karain? Q K Ibrahim(AS) nay bhi Huq Ki Khaatir Apnay Baap ka Deen naheen Apnaaya Tha...
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    may inshallah agay sabit karung agli post may jub yeh pehlay is ka jawab day k mirza sahib nay kitnay jhot bolay thay.
    likin plz abhi aap in k sath koy sakht baat na karnay day or na aap abhi in say behas yeh isi taraha ulto seedhe behas or talwwlat karta rehtay hay.
    may athir sahab ko yeh kehta hun k agar apnay mirza sahab ko sacha sabit kardiay to may khuda ki qasam khata hun k may ahmedi ban jownga .
    or agar sacha sabit na karsakay to may tahir bhie ap say yeh nahe kehta k ap musallman hojaye balkay sirf itna arz karunga k khudara ek baar tasoob ki enaq utar kar or khali zehan hokar mirza sahib ki kitabon ka mutala karlau.
    aagar ap k pas kitabay nahe to may faraham karnay k lauye tayar hun.
    agar aap waqee haq k muttalashi hay to may ap ko apna address dayanay k laye tayar hun.
    plz ap hum say dray mat yeh mazakh nahe iman ka msla hay isay khub samajh lay qayamat k dn yeh na kehna k hamay kisi nay samjhaya nahe tha,.
    ap ka bhier sajid
    03332405284
    agar aap mujh say is nom par rabata nahe karsakaty to apna nom day dijaye may khud rabata krlung.

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    Quote Tahir Jatt said: View Post
    aap ne bare pyare andaz me bayan kiya hai k koi panjabi ya mughal weisa nahin samajh sakta jesa koi arabi samajh sakta hai,
    is bare me sirf itna kehna chahoon ga k sirf arab se belong karna lazim nahin,abu jehal ko bhi arabi aati thi,aur wo bhi arabi samajhta tha,lekin jin ki ankhoon pe parde hoon wo kabi bhi nahin dekh pate...
    Allah talah apne naik bandoon ko behar haal matalib samjhata hai,aur aj tak sakjhata aya hai,aaj tak jin jin logon ne quran ko samjha wo sub arabi nah the,

    aap ne kaha k hum wahan us maqam k nazdeek hain,yeh beharhaal aap ki khushkismati hai.aur kyon k ye wo zameen hai jis pe hamare pyare aaqa huzur (s.a.w) paida hue aur muqadas hayat guzari isi liye hamare dil se wahan abad logon k liye dua nikalti hai k khuda us zameen pe rehne waloon ko maseeh-o-mehdi ko maanane ki toufiq ataa kare.ameen.

    hijrat k sath wapis ana ka waqt koi lazim nahin k jald ho,haan yeh zurur hota hai allah hijrat me barkat rakhta hai,aur jo dushman ye soch k khush horahe hote hain k hum ne hijrat pe majboor kar diya,un ki khushi jald he khatam hojati hai jab khuda talah pehle se barh k taraqi k saman paida karta hai r dushmano k liye siwae hasad k kuch nahin bachta.aur jab allah talah ki taraf se ishare hoon wo zurur wapis aate hain,aur bari shan se wapis aate hain.
    wo waqt bhi jald he ayega.ameen.

    ap ne kaha momin banain gay tou he momino ki rafaqat nasib ho gi na..
    mein apki ye bat zurur manta hoon., isi tarha agar nabi banain gay tou he nabi ki rafaqat nasib hogi na....khair ye apki baat ka jawab tha

    Allah aur huzur(s.a.w) atta"at k karne k bawajud is duniya mein kya koi inaam nahin mileingay.tou phir sura fateha me kon se inaaamo ki duaeen karte rehte hain?
    pehli ummato k liye un ki zindagi mein bhi aur hamare liye sirf aakhrat....
    1 jumla ap ne kaha 1 mein kehta hoon k ye tou wo he baat hui
    "na khuda he mila na wisaal-e-sanam"
    huzur (s.a.w) se pehli ki nabiyon ki umaton ko shaheed aur saleh ka rutba diya gaya
    magar hamare aaqa (s.a.w) jin ki umaat behtarin ummat hai.aur jis pak nabi(s.a.w) k liye duniya banae gayi us ki agar kamil atta"at ki jaye tou ye bhi na mile..
    her giz nahin bal k agar jo hamare aaq(s.a.w) ki atta't kre khuda is aayat me une siddiq aur nabi k rutba ki bhi khushkhabri deraha hai.
    choon k deen mukamal hochuka aur shariyat ki imarat aakhri eent lagne se mukamal hogye is liye sharie nabi nahin aasakta...
    sirf mirza sahib ko na manne k liye kyon islam ki azmat ko kam karne ki koshish karte hain.khudara islam pe itna zulm na karain..
    aur apni zaat per bhi..................
    aur hazrat miraz sahib k aane se pehle ullama hazraat is baat ko maante the k sharie nabi aasakta hai..
    lekin ye bhi haqeeqt hai k jab bhi koi nabi aaya logon ne use jhutlaya he hai....

    zia bahi saaf dil ho k sochiye ga..aur jo mene likha ise aik bhai ka paigham samajh k ghor se parhiye ga...jazakumullah


    Pehli Baat To ye hai k Qura"an k liye Arabi Nasal Hona Laazmi Naheen ye poori Dunya k liye hai, aap meri baat saheeh naheen samjhay

    Main keh raha tha k Banisbat Kisi Ajami k arabi apni zubaan ko saheeh samjhay ga or depth tak jaaye ga , us arabic scholar ki tafseer pe etbaar kiya jaaye ga kisi ajmi ki tadseer se.....abu-jehel bhi arabic tha i agree , but wo achi tarah samajh geya tha k Quraan keya kehta hai Lekin us k naseeb main hidaayat naheen thi...


    phir ghalat kar li na us aayat ka mafhoom?

    ye nahin kaha Allah nay us aayat main k nabi ka jhoota dawa karo to nabi(SAW) ki rifaaqat , har aik ki alag alag rifaqat nahi kaha Allah nay,, bulkay jo banda ataa'at karay ga us ko in sab ki rifaqat ki khushkhabri hai...

    :laf; ye kaisi hijrat hai meray bhaee??

    wo hijrat thi k unhain sab muslim kehtay thay lekin ahmediyon ki ye zalaalat naheen? k 100 saal baad bhi un ko koi muslim hi nahi maanta....

    acha to hijrat k baad waapis aana ya muslim maan'nay k liye 100 ka waqt kam hai .. waisay aap saheeh keh rahay hain ,ahmedi us waqt tak nahin sudhrain gay jab tak asal mehdi na aa jaayen........or Asal Eessa na aa jaayen...

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    aap phir topic se hat gaye hain or mujhay bhi baaton main laga diya , lekin asal baat phir .......

    wo ye k sharee ya Ummatti nabi ka lafz kis hadeeth main hai ya Quran main hai ? mujhay ulaamaa ka na batayen main nahi aanta kisi ko , i know only Quran and Hadeeth....so jaisay Main nay Quraan ki aayat arhi or dunya ki strong book ka hawwaalla diya ,aaap bhi quraan se baataayen k sharee nabi ya ummati ka lafz or ye k wo aa sakta hai...
    agar nahi to meri baat maan lain , khatam-unnabiyeen k end main jama hai har qism k nabi ki gunjaayesh nahi....

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    plz zia bhie ap filha is behas ko band kijaye is ko mere saath baat karlenay day us k baat iski deegar is kisum k saray swalon k jawab day dunga aap plz abhie in say mazeed koy baat na karlay jab tak inka mamala mere saath pora nahe hojata

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    ok sajid bhaee aap jaari rakhain .main apna swaal mo'akhar kar deta hun....

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    Quote Sajidkhan0333 said: View Post
    may inshallah agay sabit karung agli post may jub yeh pehlay is ka jawab day k mirza sahib nay kitnay jhot bolay thay.
    likin plz abhi aap in k sath koy sakht baat na karnay day or na aap abhi in say behas yeh isi taraha ulto seedhe behas or talwwlat karta rehtay hay.
    may athir sahab ko yeh kehta hun k agar apnay mirza sahab ko sacha sabit kardiay to may khuda ki qasam khata hun k may ahmedi ban jownga .
    or agar sacha sabit na karsakay to may tahir bhie ap say yeh nahe kehta k ap musallman hojaye balkay sirf itna arz karunga k khudara ek baar tasoob ki enaq utar kar or khali zehan hokar mirza sahib ki kitabon ka mutala karlau.
    aagar ap k pas kitabay nahe to may faraham karnay k lauye tayar hun.
    agar aap waqee haq k muttalashi hay to may ap ko apna address dayanay k laye tayar hun.
    plz ap hum say dray mat yeh mazakh nahe iman ka msla hay isay khub samajh lay qayamat k dn yeh na kehna k hamay kisi nay samjhaya nahe tha,.
    ap ka bhier sajid
    03332405284
    agar aap mujh say is nom par rabata nahe karsakaty to apna nom day dijaye may khud rabata krlung.
    ok sajid bhaee...... main baad main baat kar lun ga....

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    sajid bhai aap ne jo ye mirza sahib pe aitraz kiya k unhoon ne molviyon ko galiyan di,jo intehae sakht hain,aap ko bohat dukh bhi hua,
    lekin aik baat wazeh kar doon k hazrat masih maood ne dekha jaye tou koi sakht zuban istamal nahin ki,kyon k jab huzur(s.a.w) ne ye keh diya aur ye nishani bhi batae k jab masih ayega us waqt k ullama aasman k neeche bad tareen makhlooq hongay,aur unhe khinzeer kaha.aap quran aur hadith k pasban bante hain hope so k aapko wo hadith zurur mil jayegi,lekin agar meray bhai ko na mile tou mein zurur paish kar dunga.phir aap kya kahain gay huzur(s.a.w) k bare mein.mein batata hun ke bilkul sahi alfaz the jo aajkal k ullama k liye stimal hue kyon k unho ne masih ka inkar kiya na sirf inkar kiya bal k zuban darazi bhi ki.....
    ye koi mazaq nahin k khuda masih bheje aur jo chahe mane aur jo chahe na mane,beharhaal jo na mane wo zurur saza ka mutqazi hai....
    quran bhi jhooton pe laanat bhejta hai aur laanat aur shetan k word use karta hai kya yeh gali nahin,tou kya kahe gay quran k bare.jo her lihaz se kamil aur pak kitab hai...

    aap bohat jazbati baatain karte hain,lekin sirf jazbaat se masaail hal nahin hote hain...is liye thande dil se socha karen...
    hum hazrat masih maood k inkari ullama ko aasman k neeche bad tareen makhlooq kehne k liye majboor hain,kyon huzur(s.aw) ne unhe ye kaha hai..

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